tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post5593534914524855453..comments2023-12-09T13:09:02.587-06:00Comments on Jen's Gems: Two Sides of ForgivenessJen Fishburnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-8912258157457726372006-11-27T21:49:00.000-06:002006-11-27T21:49:00.000-06:00Prairie girl, I listened to the sermon and it was ...Prairie girl, I listened to the sermon and it was excellent. My problem with this topic is that most pastors do not take it to its logical conclusion. What does one do after Matthew 18 has been exhausted and the other party refuses to acknowledge the horrible sin done to another even if the results of the sin were were public? (Many times there are NOT 3 witnesses to sins committed against someone)<br /><br />Can one forgive but not have fellowship? Especially when fellowship could hurt their children? Must there always be reconciliation? Aren't there some people we should just finally, when Matthew 18 fails, flee from?<br /><br />I have seen this scenerio played out many times and it amazes me how many pastors leave out the 'no fellowship with evil' part. We are NOT to have no fellowship with evil. Even if they are coming to church???<br /><br />Another problem is that many times these people are allowed to stay in church and not disciplined. This leaves others to think the sin was not that big of a deal and the victims look like the sinner! <br /><br />When churches, pastors, elders are not doing their jobs, these topics become very complicated, indeed.Lindonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12655601618953971431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-41737099366083672812006-11-27T16:46:00.000-06:002006-11-27T16:46:00.000-06:00I had struggled with the concept of forgivenss for...I had struggled with the concept of forgivenss for a long time. I had read the Jay Adams books and had spent time volunteering in a crisis pregnancy center basically teaching his perspetive. But I was never completely comfortable with it because of the nagging truth that genuine forgiveness has no strings attached. Then a couple weeks ago my pastor preached the best sermon I have ever heard on the subject. You can find it here to download for free....I would give the highlights but it is just too good to miss a single point. <br />It was preached on 11-12-06 and is called The Freedom of Forgiveness<br /><br />http://www.bethanycentral.org/resources/browse_audio.asp?id=34prairie girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07858786431127017081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-19132771401896929612006-11-20T13:44:00.000-06:002006-11-20T13:44:00.000-06:00This has to be one of the most confusing and misun...This has to be one of the most confusing and misunderstood topics in scripture. I found a great study on it a while back that was almost exactly like your post. <br /><br />Blanket forgiveness without repentence can actually enable sin. We are seeing the fruits of that today in the Church. <br /><br />There is a difference between forgiving the unrepentent offender and having fellowship with them. Today, we are expected to forgive all and then act as if nothing happened. No consequences. <br /><br />Since the churches no longer teach what sin really is, this causes quite a few problems. (Some even refer to them as mistakes) I wish more pastors would preach on the chapter in Revelations about liars, etc. And to go into detail what a 'lie' entails such as deception, ommission, etc. <br /><br />Great post. I plan to link to it.Lindonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12655601618953971431noreply@blogger.com