tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post114343651567183215..comments2023-12-09T13:09:02.587-06:00Comments on Jen's Gems: Plundering the EgyptiansJen Fishburnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-11077383063010444462007-06-13T21:18:00.000-05:002007-06-13T21:18:00.000-05:00Faithful's Companion, do I know you?I am not claim...Faithful's Companion, do I know you?<BR/><BR/>I am not claiming to be a perfect wife, but I certainly have tried my best in the last fifteen years or so. I don't know what I could do differently.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes, although not often, one partner tries very hard in the marriage while the other one is content to cause much damage. "It takes two to tango" is only a maxim, meaning that while it holds true generally, it is not true 100% of the time.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to be smart, but not manipulative. That is never right and only brings heartache in the end.<BR/><BR/>I guess unless I know more specifically what you are trying to say, I can't really speak to your comment in any more detail. Thanks for caring.Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-27955925015652502992007-06-13T20:56:00.000-05:002007-06-13T20:56:00.000-05:00"Jen...I wonder if you noticed that I said I was b..."Jen...<BR/><BR/>I wonder if you noticed that I said I was blessed to enjoy a happy, healthy, honest marriage and you interpreted that to mean that I was married to a godly man (which I am, but that is beside this point).<BR/><BR/>It is not the responsibility of a godly man, alone, to make a good marriage. A troubled marriage surely is one in which neither partner is walking in obedience to the very best of their ability (isn't that true for all of us in varying degrees?). The bible has much to say about a woman tearing down her house with her hands, being contentious as a dripping faucet, etc., etc. She doesn't have to be loud or obvious -- only smart and manipulative.<BR/><BR/>My marriage was not always so genuine. I needed to be changed. And I worked hard to earn my husband's trust, even though I had never really done anything to jeopardize it. <BR/><BR/>A woman can not change her husband. A woman can only ask the Lord to show her HER blind spots and yield HERSELF to change. She may find her marriage is a cross to bear, or she may be marvelously awed at what the Lord can do with her increasing humility and obedience to Him.<BR/><BR/>Occasionally, success will not come because both partners, deep down, actually enjoy the drama. They don't want to be better.<BR/><BR/>A woman who actively thinks the problems in her marriage are mostly his fault, will never find spiritual victory because she is too busy enjoying the victory in her flesh."<BR/><BR/>I agree with her thoughts here. Doesn't this make any sense to you? <BR/><BR/>"She doesn't have to be loud or obvious -- only smart and manipulative."<BR/><BR/>This is a very good point, and one that needs to be re-emphasized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143729083289387052006-03-30T08:31:00.000-06:002006-03-30T08:31:00.000-06:00Jen, Royce is the accountant. I'm *just* a housew...Jen, Royce is the accountant. I'm *just* a housewife. <BR/><BR/>Thought I'd bring some light discussion to this heavy debate you and GB are having. <BR/><BR/>Good luck, btw, to the both of you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143700144121725392006-03-30T00:29:00.000-06:002006-03-30T00:29:00.000-06:00You have a strange way of accounting! Does Royce ...You have a strange way of accounting! Does Royce have a child wife?Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143699648155204482006-03-30T00:20:00.000-06:002006-03-30T00:20:00.000-06:00Natasha, that show ROCKED! **Again...Sarah doesn't...Natasha, that show ROCKED! <BR/><BR/>**Again...Sarah doesn't have to act like a real adult for 4 more weeks...**Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143698168516457162006-03-29T23:56:00.000-06:002006-03-29T23:56:00.000-06:00Hence why I said some women need to seek out their...Hence why I said some women need to seek out their position according to God's Word more than others do. We shall have to agree to disagree on "it takes two to tango." It is not always so (but usually!).Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143695606474658772006-03-29T23:13:00.000-06:002006-03-29T23:13:00.000-06:00I agree. Every marriage is unique. Life's variab...I agree. Every marriage is unique. Life's variables make it difficult to treat any situation with a neat and tidy antedote, but that is where faith is to be applied, isn't it? (The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.) There is the answer to every human problem in Christ and in the Revelation He has seen fit to leave us. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes we work hard to hear Him. Sometimes it even seems like our problems are so unique that we forget there is nothing new under the sun!<BR/><BR/>I have not met the spouse (male or female) who is completely innocent and totally yielded to the Lord's clear instruction in a marriage that remains troubled. It takes two.Grafted Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13234492249971474897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143687389320892052006-03-29T20:56:00.000-06:002006-03-29T20:56:00.000-06:00No, GB, I don't think I misinterpreted what you wr...No, GB, I don't think I misinterpreted what you wrote. I responded with what I have heard you say previously about your husband. Yes, all those things you say can and do happen, but every marriage is unique, and they can't all be categorized so neatly. Have you ever considered the story of Nabal and Abigail?Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143687125697228372006-03-29T20:52:00.000-06:002006-03-29T20:52:00.000-06:00Yes, Natasha, it was a GREAT show! I am glad we w...Yes, Natasha, it was a GREAT show! I am glad we went!Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143645553584810582006-03-29T09:19:00.000-06:002006-03-29T09:19:00.000-06:00Jen...I wonder if you noticed that I said I was bl...Jen...<BR/><BR/>I wonder if you noticed that I said I was blessed to enjoy a happy, healthy, honest marriage and you interpreted that to mean that I was married to a godly man (which I am, but that is beside this point).<BR/><BR/>It is not the responsibility of a godly man, alone, to make a good marriage. A troubled marriage surely is one in which neither partner is walking in obedience to the very best of their ability (isn't that true for all of us in varying degrees?). The bible has much to say about a woman tearing down her house with her hands, being contentious as a dripping faucet, etc., etc. She doesn't have to be loud or obvious -- only smart and manipulative.<BR/><BR/>My marriage was not always so genuine. I needed to be changed. And I worked hard to earn my husband's trust, even though I had never really done anything to jeopardize it. <BR/><BR/>A woman can not change her husband. A woman can only ask the Lord to show her HER blind spots and yield HERSELF to change. She may find her marriage is a cross to bear, or she may be marvelously awed at what the Lord can do with her increasing humility and obedience to Him.<BR/><BR/>Occasionally, success will not come because both partners, deep down, actually enjoy the drama. They don't want to be better.<BR/><BR/>A woman who actively thinks the problems in her marriage are mostly his fault, will never find spiritual victory because she is too busy enjoying the victory in her flesh.Grafted Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13234492249971474897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143644048953512182006-03-29T08:54:00.000-06:002006-03-29T08:54:00.000-06:00It was a good show, and that's that!It was a good show, and that's that!Opera Babehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729784220578444211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143639114244078192006-03-29T07:31:00.000-06:002006-03-29T07:31:00.000-06:00You are very blessed to have such a godly man for ...You are very blessed to have such a godly man for a husband. I am truly pleased for you. And you are very right about the attitudes of the heart. (See my post on Spiritual Victory recently.) However, not all women have such a great marriage and I know many that are in extremely difficult situations where they truly have to seek God's Word to know how to be a godly wife in the world we live in today. While you count your blessings, remember that many women pray that their husbands would be more like yours is every day. May your marriage always be sweet!Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143611620069218172006-03-28T23:53:00.000-06:002006-03-28T23:53:00.000-06:00Well...it's clear that you can talk me under the t...Well...it's clear that you can talk me under the table any day, but I speak from the blessed position of having a healthy, happy, honest, God-honoring marriage relationship with Husband...for what that's worth.<BR/><BR/>I still say that the attitudes of the heart are a work of the Spirit. We mere humans will only frustrate ourselves trying to manufacture that which can only be accomplished by the new birth and yielding of our Lordship.<BR/><BR/>No, we're not at LWF anymore, I haven't seen the L&R series and don't plan to.Grafted Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13234492249971474897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143607207613563272006-03-28T22:40:00.000-06:002006-03-28T22:40:00.000-06:00I know how much you love dictionaries, so I will u...I know how much you love dictionaries, so I will use the following definitions from Dictionary.com, a web compilation of many dictionaries.<BR/><BR/>The Bible tells wives to reverence (KJV) their husbands, or respect (most other versions) their husbands. I will start with the word "adore" since that was the subject of the post.<BR/><BR/>a•dore <BR/>1. To worship as God or a god. <BR/>2. To regard with deep, often rapturous love. See Synonyms at revere. (Synonymns of revere: worship, venerate, adore, idolize<BR/>These verbs mean to regard with the deepest respect, deference, and esteem. Revere suggests awe coupled with profound honor.)<BR/>3. To like very much: adores mink coats. <BR/><BR/>Notice that the dictionary uses adore and revere as synonyms, which is the biblical term as well.<BR/><BR/>re•vere <BR/>To regard with awe, deference, and devotion<BR/><BR/>re•spect <BR/>1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem. <BR/>2. To avoid violation of or interference with: respect the speed limit. <BR/>3. To relate or refer to; concern. <BR/><BR/>Another synonym for respect is esteem.<BR/><BR/>es•teem <BR/>1. To regard with respect; prize. See Synonyms at appreciate. <BR/>2. To regard as; consider: esteemed it an honor to help them. <BR/><BR/>Have you see "Love and Respect" being shown at your church yet? It does a good job of addressing this word.<BR/><BR/>Maybe we both have a diffent mental picture of "adore." I realize that "swoon" could fall into this category, but that is not the context I would put it in biblically. A strong affection would be a more appropriate definition in my mind. Not all the definitions above would apply to a husband-wife relationship, obviously. But each word does have at least one definition that does apply.<BR/><BR/>One more thought: we are commanded to respect our husbands whether they deserve it or not, just as we are commanded to honor our parents whether they deserve it or not. I do believe there is a much deeper respect, along with deeper adoration, for husbands that fulfill their biblical roles as well, a respect they have earned. I saw this played out in the military. I always respected the ranks above me, but certain people earned my respect for themselves as well. I have respect for the President of the US because he is the president, but I have greater respect for some presidents than others. <BR/><BR/>Off my soapbox now!Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143486160855092982006-03-27T13:02:00.000-06:002006-03-27T13:02:00.000-06:00I DO NOT agree at all that adoration is part of th...I DO NOT agree at all that adoration is part of the respect that we are commanded to give our husbands! Some husbands are not adorable, but we, as wives are called to respect them in their station. When we add extra-biblical mandates to our commands, we immediately begin to work in our flesh. Many wives are frustrated because they are trying to adore their unworthy husbands, when really the Lord has asked the wife to respect and submit to them. <BR/><BR/>If a wife will receive that calling (and only that calling) as from the Lord, and obey it, she might find with time that her husband becomes one that she can also adore -- but that is icing! <BR/><BR/>Adore: to worship as divine. to love greatly; idolize.<BR/><BR/>Love: a strong affection or attachment; usually with passion.<BR/><BR/>Respect: to feel or show honor or esteem for. To show consideration for.<BR/><BR/>Esteem: to value highly; have a great regard for.Grafted Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13234492249971474897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143482263703340282006-03-27T11:57:00.000-06:002006-03-27T11:57:00.000-06:00Just for the record, I do not blanketly recommend ...Just for the record, I do not blanketly recommend this show. I would not recommend for anyone who is easily offended, who wants it to be exactly the way the Bible says, or for men (dancing girls). If you are capable of enjoying life without picking everything apart, you may enjoy this show.Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143482107624611602006-03-27T11:55:00.000-06:002006-03-27T11:55:00.000-06:00I guess that was the point I was trying to make ab...I guess that was the point I was trying to make about the music. Although there were many different genres (I thought that one song with their heads wrapped, wearing sunglasses, and acting like rappers) was "rap"-ish, but not full blown rap, for which I was very grateful! It had a fun feel to it, I guess, that was kind of like "rap."<BR/><BR/>I certainly don't think a woman's "main" purpose in life is to adore her husband, but it is a big part of our role as wives. "Wives, respect your husbands." I would consider adoration to be a part of showing respect. Were those women in the show "godly, biblical women?" Anything but!! But the one thing I could "plunder" from them is the adoration they showed their husbands.Jen Fishburnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240505611077771944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22977090.post-1143468435534221542006-03-27T08:07:00.000-06:002006-03-27T08:07:00.000-06:00I really like your tying the two: plunder of the E...I really like your tying the two: plunder of the Egyptians and "Joseph..."<BR/><BR/>I have to call you on a couple of things though: there was no rap as I remember it. Correct me specifically if I'm wrong, the music was all just as it was written (presumably in the 60s or 70s) and just as I performed it in my community theater in the 80s.<BR/><BR/>The biblical role of women? A bit of a stretch -- for plenty of the show the female ensemble characters were being anything but. Also, speaking as a woman, my purpose in life is not to adore my husband (though I do) but rather to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. Yes, I do that by way of being a help-meet to my husband, but let's be careful not to overstate or side-step the true main "purpose."Grafted Branchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13234492249971474897noreply@blogger.com